Yogi: I see the nature of defilement in liking and disliking when the mind is lost in the story; when there is no liking and disliking, does it mean that the defilement is absent?
Sayadaw: That’s true if the watching mind has no liking or disliking when awareness returns. If there’s no awareness and the mind thinks that there’s no liking or disliking, then delusion is there. Even neutral mind may have delusion.
If awareness is absent, then there’s no wisdom. When there’s no wisdom, we’re sure that delusion is present. (And when delusion is present, all defilements have a chance to arise.)