Yogi: When I look at the tree and I’m mindful of it, something changes because I connect to it. The tree transforms and I transform. I feel that a different level of seeing is involved.

Sayadaw: Seeing. When you see, you’re supposed to be aware of the fact of seeing which happens in the body, not the tree. The seeing is only your ability to see. The tree is what we think about to recognize it, and that’s concept.

Sight is reality, but sight is again not the tree.

When you want to practice seeing, stay with the knowing that you’re seeing and stay with that. Never mind what you’re seeing. It’s not I’m seeing a tree, but I know that seeing is happening. Stay with the knowing of seeing.

If you know you’re looking at the tree, that’s fine, you can know that you’re looking. ‘I know I’m looking.’

Yogi: I like the intensity of what I see and the feeling that this is a different level of consciousness.

Sayadaw: That’s thinking and following the imagination and cultivating the enjoyment. Meditation is about knowing; not just indulging.