IMS Retreat 2012 Q&A Group C No.1 (1:01:05-1:01:40)
Yogis have said to me that they observe aversion and also notice that the awareness is very calm.
So, there is a lot of aversion, but the awareness is calm and not affected by the aversion.
That immediately tells me that there is a third presence that is aware of both; and that’s the awareness of awareness.